5/21/08 8 am.
Nate is at the control panel. I feel like I am on my death bed. The plug is about to be pulled on my beloved TR Forum. I will miss my friends and my internet life here. This is where I met Peter and Dan and Michael and Darnell and Lori and Lily and so many more. This has been one of the highlights of the past 18 months of my life. It brought me out of my depression and made me feel young and alive again.....to converse with Messianics, scholars, and intellectuals from all over the world. As the song goes, This used to be my playground. This used to be my field of dreams. Dreams of sweet, like-minded fellowship...the swan pond. Yet the dream turned into a nightmare in myriad ways. Many have scattered to apostasy, differing world views, vain philosophies, and various theologies....some seem headed downstream in a river rushing to Rome. It is hard to believe that the Messianic passion chronology view is shifting back to “Good Friday”....disregarding the sign Yeshua gave us of “three days and three nights.” It boggles my mind. How can they be so blind? Why won’t they consider Dan Gregg’s Sabbath Resurrection chronology? What are they so afraid of that they refuse to engage him in scholarly debate?
“Tzuri, Tandi, Dan, and Tim, foursquare, is my prayer”.....and has been for many months as I walk in my prayer closet [sukkah] at the back of the woods “looking toward Yerushalayim in Yeshua’s Name, Amein.” These four names are the foundation of the sending forth of the "Faith once delivered" that I envision. It is hard to keep the dream alive. Yet it is even harder to give it up. Two white oxen, a cart, yoke-fellows, “what is in the cart?” the three in the Land, the ticker-tape. What does it all mean??
I logged out at 9:11 am.
9:12 am. The dastardly deed has yet to be done! Nate is still at the control panel. May he not lose all of our posts as he tries to keep some forums active and deactivate the main forum. Or is he planning to delete all of our posts?! Please, LORD, let them still be there. I should still be able to access the Philosophy class forum. There are over 100 members of the class but no conversation, other than David from Finland.
9:25 am. Now Heather and Marc and John are here with Bill. Nate is still here in his hidden state.
9:39 am. I am able to log on still! Nate is gone. Wanda has joined us. There are 6 members and 3 guests now.
John responded to my post re: Evolution vs Creation.
Trivia: I am member #374. Join date: 8/27/06. Total posts: 470 (0.74 posts per day).
11:07 am. Forum still alive. I’ll go for a walk in the woods and pray.
11:34 am. Back from walk. I saw a wild turkey and prayed, “O LORD, help this turkey find its way.” Someone I know will connect the dots. I got real close to the turkey. It wasn’t afraid of me. Finally it ran and flew over the fence, heading home.
11:35 am. The forum is still here. Tim is at the Admin Control Panel now. There are seven of us, and two guests. I wonder if Tim will pull the plug himself soon.
I see that Dan Gregg sent me an email. I will read it now. Good one! Actually there are two...and I enjoyed reading them, as usual. He always seems to nail the truth and get to the heart of the matter...often in an entertaining way with his wry humor and colorful vocabulary.
11:52 am. I wonder if they can’t figure out how to close the main forum. What is the delay?
Time for breakfast.
12:20 pm. Tim is reading the Evolution vs Creation thread and there is a new vote for Old Earth Creationism, bringing the total to 4 out of 35. I wonder if it was Tim who voted. He mentioned on one of his audios that some were wondering if he was "going to the dark side” (for abandoning his former Wed-Sat. passion chronology for the Friday crucifixion position which he now seems to tentatively hold).
12:33 pm. I’m going to sign off for a while and hope I can log on later.
2:42 pm. Logged on! Tim and the moderators are in moderator discussion.
4:44 pm. Still a forum with conversation on the Formerly Gentiles thread.
4:49 pm. Logged off. Not feeling well. I have a bad headache. Probably stress. Read Bible chapters at Erev (time of the evening sacrifice). Came across the words in Ezekiel about scattering the sheep. Not good in God’s eyes.
My Erev song lyrics:
When the sun is even with my eyes
Erev, erev, the darkening of the skies
Call it evening, prepare the sacrifice
Praise Yeshua, for giving us His life.
(Erev is the time of long shadows, a growing mixture of day and night, transition time....the ninth hour....3-4 pm in a 12 hour day)
I logged on this evening and logged off at 8:18 pm. Going to bed now. I will read Ezekiel 34 about the scattered sheep. I wonder if the forum will still be here in the morning.
5/22/08
Today I woke up early and the forum was still operational, so I posted a JPost article about the Apostolic Scriptures being burned in Israel by Yeshiva students. I made mention of the growing intolerance for religious differences. I posted my email address and asked if we could exchange contact info. I especially wanted to get in touch with MarkW, as I think we are somewhat like-minded.
11:40 am. I was talking to Dave on Messenger when it happened. All of a sudden I noticed the forum looked different. The Main forum was gone, leaving only the Class forum and Research Exchange forum. I was still online, and Tim was there.
My reaction:
“It’s gone! Right while we were talking...Tim or Nate pulled the plug! My beloved forum! They are so mean! I feel like Terri Schiavo.....they pulled out my lifeline!”
How cruel! Not a fond farewell or a caring kol tuv....just pull the plug as if to say, “Good riddance. You people are annoying.”
Last screen shot:
What's Going On?
Currently Active Users: 9 (8 members and 1 guests)
Most users ever online was 60, 02-01-2007 at 08:56 AM.
mlafaive, bbeyer, Dan Benzvi, Heather, JKMcKee, Rebekah Lee-Giam G.L., wshepherd
Torah Resource Forums Statistics
Threads: 1,525, Posts: 20,293, Members: 656, Active Members: 164
Welcome to our newest member, Todd T
12:17 pm. Logged off. I wonder if I can log back on later. I am doing okay so far because I am talking to Dave on Messenger. We are having a nice chat. Also, I posted at Dan’s forum about his excellent article. Dave is reading that now. And we are chatting about Peter and his future. I am not depressed....yet.
2:14 pm. I am back on.....and 5 of us and 2 guests are all in the line of names hanging out together. Marc is here, and he is not enrolled in a class so they must not have purged the membership list. But only class members can post at the Philosophy forum. Yet no one has posted. Just Bill, Darnell, and Pati right now. I still do not have PM access or Member List access or access to the archives. So here we sit. Wish we could organize a silent protest...100 or more names just sitting here, shut out from the conversation. LORD, bring this idea to the minds of others to just park here.
Messenger conversation with Dave:
i am laughing
Moss says: (2:20:23 PM)
there are 9 of us here at TR forum...our names in a line as we sit with no ability to post
Moss says: (2:20:52 PM)
this could become a silent protest if everyone would get the idea to just come and park their name here in a row
Moss says: (2:21:15 PM)
what would we call it? A sign-in, a park-in?
Moss says: (2:21:32 PM)
in hippie days we had sit-ins, be-ins, etc.
Moss says: (2:22:32 PM)
there are 165 active members...what if we all just parked our names here!!!!
Moss says: (2:23:11 PM)
i must not be the only one that needs to get a life
Moss says: (2:23:19 PM)
what are the rest of them doing here?
Moss says: (2:24:05 PM)
well, i'm going to leave my name here while i take a walk. i have a life beyond the TR forum!
2:27 Paula and Sharon are here...7 members, 2 guests.
I will list those I see coming to the empty forum page like honeybees shut out from their hive.
Aaron
Heather
Dan B
Marc
Lori
Darnell
Louise
Daniel K
Jeri
Heather
Lori
Ellen
Mark W
Ryan
Tanya
Redbeard
Darnell
Aaron
Pati
Rebekah
I archived the page, the last page before it ended. I pull it up and look at it sometimes. This is a snapshot of my former life.
Darnell and Lori are hanging out there now. There is nothing to do. Why do we keep coming back? What is the attraction?
Bill sent me MarkW’s email address. I am thankful.
"Woe be unto the shepherds that scatter the sheep..." (Ezekiel 34).
2:15 pm I really should get a life.
I think I’ll plant some marigolds...
5/09/2008
Nostalgia...The Best Day of My Internet Life
Collaboration with Peter on this poetic protest against unbalanced feeding at the trough of Rabbinic Judaism was a heady experience. It resulted in exciting spiritual victories over damaging false teachings that were going around at the time. Unfortunately, it also resulted in a giant target on the back of my friend, courtesy of the enemy of his soul. With all the spiritual strength I can muster, by the grace of God, and the prayers of others, I am determined not to let this highly gifted and greatly beloved wounded soldier die.
Wednesday, December 27, 2006
Finding Our Way: The Mired Journey from Destruction's City to Destruction's Town
Destruction's City......
Heathen statutes undiscerned
Way of the heathen amply learned
Veneer of ardor so impeccant
Empty shell, to God abhorrent
Destruction's City grasps the roll
Communion with departed souls
Gravesite veneration
Unholy spirit dissemination.
To the Holy City....Statutes heathen they discernPerfect precepts embraced to learnPursuit of God, humble suppliantTrust in God, on Him reliantDestruction's City no longer pullsCity of God ahead the goalHoly Writ infatuationSpirit, joy, celebration.
Path Differed: Destruction's Town...
Heathen statutes undiscerned
Way of the heathen amply learned
Thrice-washed hands, yet on descent
Postern entry, signage reticent
Wayward town, rote to lull
Spirit's fire dampened, dull
Gravesite veneration
Unholy spirit dissemination.
by Peter C. Sander
edit by Renah
4/24/2008
Passion Chronology Uncensored
I tried to post this at FFOZ blog (Good Friday Revisited) but was edited. Pouncing on my “counting error,” Toby chose only to publish my first sentence. I will post my full contribution to the discussion here and answer Toby’s question.
My censored/edited post:
The following is the portion of my post that was published....and the response.....
My answer:
Maybe I was counting with a midrashic flavor? : )
Six days could mean “any number of days.” Why take the number of days literally here and not in your midrashic-flavored Good Friday to Saturday night scenario?
If you are trying to find a way to preserve one Church tradition (Good Friday) why not be consistent and preserve the other (Palm Sunday). In doing so, Wednesday, the TRUE Crucifixion day, could be conveniently eliminated from the Passion week in order to count those six days! Now there’s a solution!
Ah, yes, “Silent Wednesday”....that pesky, enigmatic day that is ignored in the Catholic/Traditional Passion Week chronology. Could it be that Yeshua really was delivered up and crucified on that day? A day the devil would like to blot out by creating unresolved confusion in our calendars? You can not have “Palm Sunday” be the tenth of Aviv (when the lambs were selected) and still have “Good Friday” be the Crucifixion day without eliminating the TRUE Crucifixion day, the fourth day of the week!
I find the prejudice against the fourth day very interesting and another sign that the truth is indeed being suppressed, as referenced even in the confusion of the account in the Didascalia Apostolorum:.
I advocate a Chronology in which all the puzzle pieces fit together without contradiction, Wednesday-Sabbath. The women came to the tomb with the spices on Mia Sabbaton, the first (or one) of the Sabbaths after the Passover High Sabbath, during the count of seven weekly Sabbaths to Shavuot. This Mia Sabbaton was Resurrection Day.
The fatal flaw with Toby’s midrashic-flavored proposal is Yeshua’s words, “three days AND THREE NIGHTS.” If only Yeshua had not added those problematic “three nights” to His words in Matt. 12:40 maybe we could get away with not taking Him literally! Or should we go with the spurious “Gospel According to the Hebrews” version that Toby cites, that leaves out these words?
Distinctive to the apocryphal Gospel According to the Hebrews is this oddity (according to Wikipedia):
According to Biblical Chronology, as well as Jewish tradition, the Torah was given on Shabbat. How fitting that the Living Torah would rise on Shabbat as well! The Sabbath is the sign of God’s covenant relationship with Israel, not Sunday!
Original article/discussion available here:
FFOZ Blogs : Good Friday Revisited
For further study of Passion Chronology and the Sabbath Resurrection, see the writings of Daniel Gregg at
Welcome to Torahtimes
Join us for open discussion at the Torahtimes forum!
My censored/edited post:
One problem with the Friday crucifixion is that it has Yeshua traveling a long distance on Sabbath six days previously (John 12:1). Another is that He is in the tomb less than 30 hours!
I believe the Biblical evidence shows that Yeshua died on Wednesday and rose three days/three nights later on Sabbath, just before dawn. Most, if not all, of the difficulties can be resolved with this Chronology, including...
In three days
After three days
The third day
Avoidance of Road to Emmaus falling on 4th day
Fulfillment of three days/three nights types, shadows, hints including:
Sign of Jonah
Binding of Isaac
Baker (Bread) and Cupbearer (Wine) in Genesis 40
Egyptian (1 Samuel 30)
It also takes into consideration parallels, prophecies, and history including:
First of Firstfruits Wave Offering on 16th
Giving of Torah on Sabbath at Mt. Sinai
Pharisaic reckoning to Shavuot
Hosea 5 prophecy
Key to the Chronology is reckoning by overlapping Temple/Pharisaic calendars. I would be happy to discuss details on the forum.
The following is the portion of my post that was published....and the response.....
One problem with the Friday crucifixion is that it has Yeshua traveling a long distance on Sabbath six days previously (John 12:1).
**Toby's Response:** Can you explain why we would have to reckon it like this with a Friday crucifixion? Six days before Passover would be Sunday.
Posted by: Maureen (Renah) | April 22, 2008 1:29 PM
My answer:
Maybe I was counting with a midrashic flavor? : )
Six days could mean “any number of days.” Why take the number of days literally here and not in your midrashic-flavored Good Friday to Saturday night scenario?
If you are trying to find a way to preserve one Church tradition (Good Friday) why not be consistent and preserve the other (Palm Sunday). In doing so, Wednesday, the TRUE Crucifixion day, could be conveniently eliminated from the Passion week in order to count those six days! Now there’s a solution!
Ah, yes, “Silent Wednesday”....that pesky, enigmatic day that is ignored in the Catholic/Traditional Passion Week chronology. Could it be that Yeshua really was delivered up and crucified on that day? A day the devil would like to blot out by creating unresolved confusion in our calendars? You can not have “Palm Sunday” be the tenth of Aviv (when the lambs were selected) and still have “Good Friday” be the Crucifixion day without eliminating the TRUE Crucifixion day, the fourth day of the week!
I find the prejudice against the fourth day very interesting and another sign that the truth is indeed being suppressed, as referenced even in the confusion of the account in the Didascalia Apostolorum:.
Around the year 200, a document purporting to pass on apostolic instruction, called the Didascalia Apostolorum, mentions that the last Passover of Jesus Christ and His disciples was on a Tuesday night. It should be noted that the timing mentioned in the document corresponds to the biblical method of counting time—i.e., the week started with Sunday as the first day and the days began at sunset.
This document states: "For when we had eaten the Passover on the third day of the week at even [Tuesday evening], we went forth to the Mount of Olives ; and in the night they seized our Lord Jesus. And the next day, which was the fourth of the week [Wednesday], He remained in ward in the house of Caiaphas the high priest."
Paradoxically, the text goes on to mention that Jesus was crucified on a Friday—showing great confusion about the dates, for the biblical account clearly states that Christ was crucified on the day following that Passover meal. Nonetheless, the document demonstrates that Passover was then understood by some to have been on Tuesday evening, which would place the crucifixion on the next day, Wednesday.
I advocate a Chronology in which all the puzzle pieces fit together without contradiction, Wednesday-Sabbath. The women came to the tomb with the spices on Mia Sabbaton, the first (or one) of the Sabbaths after the Passover High Sabbath, during the count of seven weekly Sabbaths to Shavuot. This Mia Sabbaton was Resurrection Day.
The fatal flaw with Toby’s midrashic-flavored proposal is Yeshua’s words, “three days AND THREE NIGHTS.” If only Yeshua had not added those problematic “three nights” to His words in Matt. 12:40 maybe we could get away with not taking Him literally! Or should we go with the spurious “Gospel According to the Hebrews” version that Toby cites, that leaves out these words?
Distinctive to the apocryphal Gospel According to the Hebrews is this oddity (according to Wikipedia):
Among the most distinctive traditions is the depiction of Mary, like the Johannine logos, as divine— in fact, that she was the incarnation of Michael, who was the personification of the Holy Spirit. Also, Jesus first appears to his brother James following the resurrection.
According to Biblical Chronology, as well as Jewish tradition, the Torah was given on Shabbat. How fitting that the Living Torah would rise on Shabbat as well! The Sabbath is the sign of God’s covenant relationship with Israel, not Sunday!
Original article/discussion available here:
FFOZ Blogs : Good Friday Revisited
For further study of Passion Chronology and the Sabbath Resurrection, see the writings of Daniel Gregg at
Welcome to Torahtimes
Join us for open discussion at the Torahtimes forum!
4/08/2008
A Maze is Grace Sometimes.....
I asked the Lord that I might grow
In faith, and love, and every grace;
In faith, and love, and every grace;
Might more of His salvation know,
And seek, more earnestly, His face.
"Twas He who taught me thus to pray,
And He, I know, has answered prayer!
But it has been in such a way,
As almost drove me to despair.
I hoped that in some favored hour,
At once He'd answer my request;
And by His love's constraining pow'r,
Subdue my soul, and give me rest.
Instead of this, He made me feel
The hidden evils of my heart;
Let all the angry pow'rs of hell
Assault my soul in every part.
Yea more, by His own hand He seemed
Intent to aggravate my woe;
Crossed all the fair designs I schemed,
Blasted my hopes, and laid me low.
Lord, why is this, I trembling cried,
Wilt thou pursue thy worm to death?
"'Tis in this way, the Lord replied,
I answer prayer for grace and faith.
These inward trials I employ,
From self, and sin, to set thee free;
Blast all thy schemes of earthly joy,
That thou may'st find thy all in Me."
3/26/2008
Arab/Israeli Conflict
I am beginning a study of the Arab/Israeli conflict, which I know next to nothing about. I was never much of a student of history and found the subject boring in school. I do remember June 1967 in the news, however. I was just graduating high school at the time. The news that Jerusalem was in Jewish hands wafted in between strains of the Beatles’ Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band album. I especially associate the event with the song, A Day in the Life.
I wonder why the news about Israel impacted me that day. There was something electrifying in the air. I hardly ever paid attention to the news at that stage of my life. But there are two events I distinctly remember from my youth....the day President Kennedy was assassinated (9th grade) and June 7, 1967. I can still visualize being in Mom’s kitchen in Quincy, MA. Why do I remember this? Am I Jewish? Why do I remember Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan and King Hussein of Jordan? I can not tell you who was President of France or Prime Minister of England at the time, or any other political facts. I remember Israel. And Jordan. That is all I remember on the world scene in the late 1960's as I degenerated into hippiedom after high school. Besides Vietnam of course.
Somehow, in today’s volatile world, especially in the Middle East, the historical roots of the current conflict suddenly interest me....particularly when there is so much radical, left-wing propaganda being disseminated on college campuses. Universities have become hotbeds of subversive and dangerous politics. This needs to be countered with the facts. May the LORD lead to accurate and compelling information. I begin with an excerpt from Big Lies: Demolishing the Myths of the Propaganda War Against Israel, by David Meir-Levi. This is available for free download or purchase at http://www.frontpagemag.com/
THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS TEXT
I wonder why the news about Israel impacted me that day. There was something electrifying in the air. I hardly ever paid attention to the news at that stage of my life. But there are two events I distinctly remember from my youth....the day President Kennedy was assassinated (9th grade) and June 7, 1967. I can still visualize being in Mom’s kitchen in Quincy, MA. Why do I remember this? Am I Jewish? Why do I remember Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan and King Hussein of Jordan? I can not tell you who was President of France or Prime Minister of England at the time, or any other political facts. I remember Israel. And Jordan. That is all I remember on the world scene in the late 1960's as I degenerated into hippiedom after high school. Besides Vietnam of course.
Somehow, in today’s volatile world, especially in the Middle East, the historical roots of the current conflict suddenly interest me....particularly when there is so much radical, left-wing propaganda being disseminated on college campuses. Universities have become hotbeds of subversive and dangerous politics. This needs to be countered with the facts. May the LORD lead to accurate and compelling information. I begin with an excerpt from Big Lies: Demolishing the Myths of the Propaganda War Against Israel, by David Meir-Levi. This is available for free download or purchase at http://www.frontpagemag.com/
THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS TEXT
Introduction by David Horowitz:
The War in the Middle East is nearly sixty years old. Most
people alive today are unfamiliar with its history and origins and lack
knowledge of its facts. This state of ignorance provides a fertile ground
for the unscrupulous to create myths that will justify their destructive
agendas. The political propaganda machine has created many such
myths to fuel their war against the Jewish state.
Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East that elects its lead-
ers in free elections and guarantees rights to its citizens, and honors
those rights. Yet Israel is the target of those who claim to be fighting
for “human rights.” There are about a million and a half Arabs living
as citizens in Israel who elect representatives to Israel’s parliament
and who have more rights than the Arab citizens of any Arab state.
Yet Israel is the target of those who claim to be fighting for “social
justice.”
Israel’s very creation is referred to by its Arab enemies as "the
Nakba", or the “catastrophe,” the clear implication of which is that
Israel should not exist. Yet Israel is the target of those who claim to
support self-determination and oppose genocide. Israel was the victim
– at its very birth -- of an unprovoked aggression by five Arab mon-
archies and dictatorships. It has been the target of an Arab war that
has continued uninterruptedly for nearly sixty years because the Arab
states have refused to make peace. Yet Israel is the target of those who
say they want “peace.” Israel is the victim of terrorist attacks – sui-
cide bombings – which along with the Jews they mark for extinction,
kill Palestinian women and children as well. Yet Israel is the target of
those who claim to speak for humanity and a future that is “free.”
How is this possible? How can evil be dressed in the garments of
justice? How can a genocidal war to destroy a democratic people be
justified as a struggle for “national liberation?” They can through the
The War in the Middle East is nearly sixty years old. Most
people alive today are unfamiliar with its history and origins and lack
knowledge of its facts. This state of ignorance provides a fertile ground
for the unscrupulous to create myths that will justify their destructive
agendas. The political propaganda machine has created many such
myths to fuel their war against the Jewish state.
Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East that elects its lead-
ers in free elections and guarantees rights to its citizens, and honors
those rights. Yet Israel is the target of those who claim to be fighting
for “human rights.” There are about a million and a half Arabs living
as citizens in Israel who elect representatives to Israel’s parliament
and who have more rights than the Arab citizens of any Arab state.
Yet Israel is the target of those who claim to be fighting for “social
justice.”
Israel’s very creation is referred to by its Arab enemies as "the
Nakba", or the “catastrophe,” the clear implication of which is that
Israel should not exist. Yet Israel is the target of those who claim to
support self-determination and oppose genocide. Israel was the victim
– at its very birth -- of an unprovoked aggression by five Arab mon-
archies and dictatorships. It has been the target of an Arab war that
has continued uninterruptedly for nearly sixty years because the Arab
states have refused to make peace. Yet Israel is the target of those who
say they want “peace.” Israel is the victim of terrorist attacks – sui-
cide bombings – which along with the Jews they mark for extinction,
kill Palestinian women and children as well. Yet Israel is the target of
those who claim to speak for humanity and a future that is “free.”
How is this possible? How can evil be dressed in the garments of
justice? How can a genocidal war to destroy a democratic people be
justified as a struggle for “national liberation?” They can through the
creation of political myths that rationalize aggression and justify war
against civilian populations.
In George Orwell’s futuristic novel, 1984, the Ministry of Truth
for the totalitarian state proclaims: Knowledge Is Ignorance; Freedom
Is Slavery. The nature of political doublespeak never changes and
its agenda is always the same: Obliteration of historical memory in
the service of power. “The struggle of man against power,” wrote
the Czech writer, Milan Kundera, “is the struggle of memory against
forgetting.” Only a restored memory can demolish totalitarian myths
and make men free.
David Meir-Levi has written a text that restores the memory of
the facts that lie at the heart of the conflict in the Middle East. These
facts are crucial not only to the restoration of the history that politics
has obscured, but to the survival of a people who live in the shadow
of their own destruction. Everyone interested in justice will want to
read this little book.
In George Orwell’s futuristic novel, 1984, the Ministry of Truth
for the totalitarian state proclaims: Knowledge Is Ignorance; Freedom
Is Slavery. The nature of political doublespeak never changes and
its agenda is always the same: Obliteration of historical memory in
the service of power. “The struggle of man against power,” wrote
the Czech writer, Milan Kundera, “is the struggle of memory against
forgetting.” Only a restored memory can demolish totalitarian myths
and make men free.
David Meir-Levi has written a text that restores the memory of
the facts that lie at the heart of the conflict in the Middle East. These
facts are crucial not only to the restoration of the history that politics
has obscured, but to the survival of a people who live in the shadow
of their own destruction. Everyone interested in justice will want to
read this little book.
3/08/2008
A Healing Captive
O God Who frees the captive
Do not liberate this carnal slave for freedom’s sake
For I will surely wing my flight to another thorny land
Break instead each evil bond
And rub my swollen wrists
Then take me prisoner to Your will
Enslaved in Your safekeeping.
O God Who ushers light into the darkness
Do not release me to the light to only see myself
Cast the light of my liberation upon Your face
And be Thou my vision
Do not hand me over
To the quest of greater knowledge
Make Your Word a lamp unto my feet
And a light unto my path
And lead me to Your dwelling.
O God Who lifts the grieving head
Blow away the ashes
But let Your gentle hand upon my brow
Be my only crown of beauty
Comfort me so deeply
My Healer
That I seek no other comfort.
O God Who loves the human soul
Too much to let it go
So thoroughly impose Yourself
Into the heaps and depths of my life
That nothing remains undisturbed
Plow this life, Lord
Until everything You overturn
Becomes a fertile soil
Then plant me, O God
In the vast plain of Your love
Grow me, strengthen me
And do not lift Your pressing hand
Until it can boastfully unveil
A display of Your splendor.
-- Breaking Free
Do not liberate this carnal slave for freedom’s sake
For I will surely wing my flight to another thorny land
Break instead each evil bond
And rub my swollen wrists
Then take me prisoner to Your will
Enslaved in Your safekeeping.
O God Who ushers light into the darkness
Do not release me to the light to only see myself
Cast the light of my liberation upon Your face
And be Thou my vision
Do not hand me over
To the quest of greater knowledge
Make Your Word a lamp unto my feet
And a light unto my path
And lead me to Your dwelling.
O God Who lifts the grieving head
Blow away the ashes
But let Your gentle hand upon my brow
Be my only crown of beauty
Comfort me so deeply
My Healer
That I seek no other comfort.
O God Who loves the human soul
Too much to let it go
So thoroughly impose Yourself
Into the heaps and depths of my life
That nothing remains undisturbed
Plow this life, Lord
Until everything You overturn
Becomes a fertile soil
Then plant me, O God
In the vast plain of Your love
Grow me, strengthen me
And do not lift Your pressing hand
Until it can boastfully unveil
A display of Your splendor.
-- Breaking Free
2/29/2008
Justification Uncensored
Thanks to blogging, views unwelcome on one or more blogs, forums, and websites can be published on numerous other blogs, forums, and websites. The Internet is the Wittenberg Door of our generation. The views of Daniel Gregg deserve a hearing, for they are solidly based on Scripture, not the traditions and doctrines of men. Discussion welcome at Dan’s blog/forum. -- Tandi
Re: John Piper, The Future of Justification.......
The whole Christian concept of "justification" must be torn down because both Catholics and Protestants are in gross error on this concept. This is because in both camps one gets to be righteous without actually obeying the Torah. That's what Luther taught justification meant -- legally declared righteous.
If one needs to be legally declared righteous, then the Gospel is meaningless. For the Gospel is not about acquittal. It is a pardon of those who have legal guilt. God does not care about "legally imputed righteousness" where there is no righteousness. He only cares about actual righteousness that comes from proving that His Torah is in the heart by actually living by the Torah.
The concept of "justified by faith" is a total and utter corruption of the original Greek. The original revealed word is "justice is done by faithfulness" and here it means the faithfulness of Yeshua has satisfied the Father's justice against our sin. Our faithfulness is required to appropriate the satisfaction of the Father's justice. But it is Yeshua's faithfulness that actually pays the penalty, or in classical Greek, "does justice to us" by vicarious sacrifice. That's what it means to be "justified" -- not "declared righteous.” For the ungodly cannot be declared righteous by fiat (Exodus 23:7; Deut. 25:1).
... A few comments... N.T. Wright is a lot closer to the truth than Luther or Calvin, and John Piper is just trying to defend Calvin. The Reformation was not due to Luther or Calvin, but because they let people read their Bibles. The next reformation will be because Christians come to understand what the original language means after they are unchained from all the false translations.
Let me prove this briefly. KJV: "faith of Jesus Christ" (Rom. 3:22): NIV: "faith in Jesus Christ": Now which is it that justifies us? The faith OF Jesus or faith IN Jesus? It is the faith OF Yeshua by which justice is done. The NET bible (www.bible.org) has "faithfulness of Jesus Christ." This is a rare correct translation.
If such disagreement is evident in the translations on the MOST basic doctrine, then it is high time that the sheep need to dump theology, read their Bible, and learn a little basic Greek to read their Bible the right way. Then we will have a new reformation.
Dan Gregg
Re: John Piper, The Future of Justification.......
The whole Christian concept of "justification" must be torn down because both Catholics and Protestants are in gross error on this concept. This is because in both camps one gets to be righteous without actually obeying the Torah. That's what Luther taught justification meant -- legally declared righteous.
If one needs to be legally declared righteous, then the Gospel is meaningless. For the Gospel is not about acquittal. It is a pardon of those who have legal guilt. God does not care about "legally imputed righteousness" where there is no righteousness. He only cares about actual righteousness that comes from proving that His Torah is in the heart by actually living by the Torah.
The concept of "justified by faith" is a total and utter corruption of the original Greek. The original revealed word is "justice is done by faithfulness" and here it means the faithfulness of Yeshua has satisfied the Father's justice against our sin. Our faithfulness is required to appropriate the satisfaction of the Father's justice. But it is Yeshua's faithfulness that actually pays the penalty, or in classical Greek, "does justice to us" by vicarious sacrifice. That's what it means to be "justified" -- not "declared righteous.” For the ungodly cannot be declared righteous by fiat (Exodus 23:7; Deut. 25:1).
... A few comments... N.T. Wright is a lot closer to the truth than Luther or Calvin, and John Piper is just trying to defend Calvin. The Reformation was not due to Luther or Calvin, but because they let people read their Bibles. The next reformation will be because Christians come to understand what the original language means after they are unchained from all the false translations.
Let me prove this briefly. KJV: "faith of Jesus Christ" (Rom. 3:22): NIV: "faith in Jesus Christ": Now which is it that justifies us? The faith OF Jesus or faith IN Jesus? It is the faith OF Yeshua by which justice is done. The NET bible (www.bible.org) has "faithfulness of Jesus Christ." This is a rare correct translation.
If such disagreement is evident in the translations on the MOST basic doctrine, then it is high time that the sheep need to dump theology, read their Bible, and learn a little basic Greek to read their Bible the right way. Then we will have a new reformation.
Dan Gregg
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